Sound off, part deux
#16
Trozzesh Wrote:promoting and maintaining an RP presence ... and on the realm as a whole. There was always at least one RP event a week, sometimes two, on top of a similar global RP channel.

... The solution I see is promoting outside ... use of the global RP channel,

Please pardon the selective quoting, there is no intension to misrepresent the original post, but I thought these were excellent points.

I was under the impression that one of the main points of the global channel for RP was to have a server-wide presence. I have been anxiously looking for any advertising or global RP events so I can participate with my out of guild characters, but have not seen any. (Including any announcement that /ironsong had opened up to out of guild useage.)
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#17
This whole idea of a global presence is interesting. But I would say that the general 'location' that we've come to accept in IC chat (being the guild hall) would seemingly have to be opened up to a more neutral location.

With that said, what if we ...<erhrm>...'took over' a location - say somewhere in Orgrimmar - that we could call this 'neutral' location. You know, somewhere where we could hang out so-to-say while we are essentially 'doing nothing' (ie waiting for BGs, dungeons, raids etc. We could RP in public there and really establish an open RP presence. Could be one of the inns or somewhere more out in the open. I wouldn't suggest a location that would be too difficult to get to. And with 15 minute cooldowns on hearthstones...<shrugs>. (Not that I'm saying that everyone is hearthed at Orgrimmar.)
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#18
Sreng Wrote:Who you callin' half-naked?
Sreng clearly spends most of his time all-naked.
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#19
I enjoy the guild chat change to OOC. I feel there is still a little bit of RP that goes on in there still, though perhaps not in the form of sweeping epics or anything. It's more informal and not enforced so I feel it is creates a more natural and relaxed environment for people to interact however they choose.
-Dentik
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#20
I shall speak for myself and Nuqmigh (NuQ for short) for while he is a very smart orc, ask him he will tell you. He would twist and turn so much you will need a lot of strong ale to make sense of his thoughts.

I sought out Ironsong, because of it's RP focus, NuQ came into being to allow some of my more fun and irreverant side loose. Both of us have fairly distinct manners and modes to share more of the player behind the avatar.

I like having the open interactions currently in GC, I RP there as well or in the RP channel. it is good that we are having increased interactions between players because as the player base changes new friends/personalities come into a mix that has been around several years. In part this allows old and new to mesh and mix so people feel part of the whole more fully. This will take some time and while I get the feeling there is some concern about losing the identity of what the Tribe has been up to this point, there needs to be a forging of new bonds to make strong the more recent Iron and the old Iron as well.

I will be kind and save long versus on smelting and forging and how it relates to smithing and people and close with the following...

Ironsong is more then the some of it's parts players or characters, we are a part of the Tribe and she is the Standard under which we marshall. We are an RP guild. We interact in a PvE enviornment. There is a Bonfire in the Valley of Wisdom, see you there.
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#21
rincewindy Wrote:This whole idea of a global presence is interesting. But I would say that the general 'location' that we've come to accept in IC chat (being the guild hall) would seemingly have to be opened up to a more neutral location.

With that said, what if we ...<erhrm>...'took over' a location - say somewhere in Orgrimmar - that we could call this 'neutral' location. You know, somewhere where we could hang out so-to-say while we are essentially 'doing nothing' (ie waiting for BGs, dungeons, raids etc. We could RP in public there and really establish an open RP presence. Could be one of the inns or somewhere more out in the open. I wouldn't suggest a location that would be too difficult to get to. And with 15 minute cooldowns on hearthstones...<shrugs>. (Not that I'm saying that everyone is hearthed at Orgrimmar.)

I think this is a wonderful Idea. So many times I hear folks asking, "Is RP dead? Is there not any world RP on RP realms anymore?" I think this would open up so many avenues to people who, like me, were looking for RP but finding it had been overrun with people just playing the game. There's nothing wrong with just playing, its just that there are so many like I was before I found you guys, that want to RP and be a part of a bigger story and just don't know where to find it...

The possibilities are limitless. If we were there in character, hanging out someplace like Orgrimmar or Thunder Bluff people who WANT to Rp but feel like there isn't the option anymore can get back that spark as well. Guild chat/channel chat RP is great, but there is so much to be said about face to face interaction.
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#22
I do not think the Ironsong RP channel will ever catch on more than it already is. Even if it were open to oog peeps, which I thought it was, it's just too easy to miss in the daily grind or get removed when a patch comes out. Also the logins and logouts also seem to drown things out as those are in the same color.
There have been a few good suggestions here that have a lot of merit. First off having a in game hang out or location where we have moots or events that have exposure to the server population is the best way to get RP out to a wider OOG audience. Some of the best OOG RPing I have seen, have been when various guilds, including our own, have done events in places like Og for all to see.
Second I see value in having both an IC and OOC channel that is part of the normal guild chat. For reasons Jaba had stated we still want this to be an open and welcomign guild for anyone to participate in. Many folks have a lot to add to the guild and RP on their own terms, but are left without a voice under the old system where GC is all IC.

Here are a couple options I would suggest:
1) make GC In character, and allow OOC with ((wow check out this new shinny)) which I think is technically the way we used to do it.
2) make GC in Character and turn the Officer Channel to an OOC channel that anyone can use (/o for OOC or vs). The officer channel is not really used that much and the officers can easily create another channel for private communications (i.e. IronsongOfficers) with a password. Its much easier for the officers to do so then the guild as a whole, and its so rarely used for any thing important.

Those are my two copper.
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#23
I like idea number 2 or some variant of it.

-Jaba
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#24
I agree with trying to promote RP events to foster RP rather than doing it through chat. A couple of thoughts about recent RP, these are intended as constructive criticism not attacks.

Mula's RP around her pregnancy at the 1st attempted Bloodmoot: The story was good, it provided an opportunity to problem-solve and work as a group. Mula herself said that it wasn't he intention to completely monopolize the moot, but given that it did it would be good if there was more coordination. A coordinator(s) would know what were some of the potential outcomes, what is really going on so as to fill in gaps while Mula is acting if it takes awhile for the characters to sort it out, a general schedule so that it doesn't drag on so long.

The moot where we did the critter hunting: It was excellent, we combined in game achievement hunting to benefit the guild with RP. Problems, it seemed to get a little less RP when we finally broke into a raid to go hunt the critters. I tried to ask people to use raid chat as an RP channel but it just kindof took on a life of it's own. The pros were everyone got to participate.

Maybe some non-raid casual RP would also be good. Maybe we have a 1 hour scheduled event that says bring your fishing gear to the goblin slums in Og. This also gives the server the chance to interact with us and see us showcase our skills. RP PVP anyone, take over an alliance fortification and hold it, are you an honorable orc following strict orders or do you really enjoy slaughtering alliance vendors? Just some thoughts. Other people can feel free to run with these ideas also.
-Donalzon

“He lives not long who battles with the immortals, nor do his children prattle about his knees when he has come back from battle and the dead fray.”

Homer, The Iliad
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#25
I was thinking, maybe open up some miner rp events to weekends when the servers are a bit fuller as well. I'm a bit biased on this notion as weekends are really the only time I'm able to attend such things these days, but I can't be the only one who struggles to find week day time.

This would do two things in my opinion, (I don't mean the Moots, those have been Thursday forever and I wouldn't ever suggest moving them. Strictly miner stuff as I'm sure many have a hard time committing to weekends for anything as there is real life to attend to.) Anyway, I think it would show the community as a whole that rp is not dead, as there'd be more people online to see/participate, and it would give those of us who can't really attend the larger events a chance to come join the fun. I do a lot of forum browsing here on the totem in hopes to catch a glimpse of what I've missed at Moots, unfortunately, I'm unable to attend them due to a very full work schedule.

Just a thought. I really liked Donalzon's idea about the goblin slums. To take that one further, extend it, make it an event where everyone brings their fishing gear on a Sunday, meets in the Goblin slums or anywhere really and have everyone do the Fishing derby on Stranglethorn Vale in RP of course. It'd give us a chance to up that guild fishing achievement and also show a 'United Front' the the realm. Sort of a "See? We're still singing the Ironsongs and rp is alive and well. Come join the fun!" I still think there are a lot of people who'd rp and enjoy the heck out of it if they found it available more in the public eye.

I've seen so many people in /trade and /general asking for rp spots or guilds and for the life of me I can only think of two that still rp. Us, and the Oracles of the Storm. Oh, I guess three, because I've seen Lucinther's guild recruitments lately as well.
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#26
About the Blood moot (That name is gonna go down in history). Yeah, it was just bad over all, and perhaps things would have gone differently on a different day. I personally feel that the whole pregnancy thing could have been avoided if I had been able to get more people to join Mula on the hunt for Reaver post on the totem. But that unfortunately didn't happen. Heck, I wouldn't have done anything had someone actually started RPing at the moot. But that didn't happen.

So, I'm going to bring up the 'general' moot thing. Seems like attendance is down. Waaay down. Anyone know why? I mean heck, we only officially RP 1 hour a week! We spend 6 hours a week raiding as a guild! We're THE IRONSONG TRIBE! RP IS (supposed to be) OUR SCHTICK! right? Was I wrong to believe this? Perhaps we need incentive? Maybe reward those who show up for the moots and actually roleplay with bonuses to their rolls at the raids or invite priority to the raids? I would rather see a bonus to my roll from actually RPing rather than from the maybe/maybe not invite that comes on raid nights.

Another thing I'd like to ask is this: What does everyone want to see more at the moots? Not sure if we want to address this on a different post or not. But...do we want to work on achievements or just putter around or goof off or events or character development or ...well you get my drift.

Whatcha'll think?
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#27
I know that as far as attendance goes, I can address my own change of it;
For a while, I was getting Thursdays and Saturdays off from work (or was it Mondays and Thursdays? Can't remember). That really helped with allowing me attend! However, my days off have changed again (the curse of being part-time). Unfortunately, I work a normal retail job, so it prevents me from attending anything in the early evening. It still amazes me how many people there are that have jobs starting in the morning. Heh heh...
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#28
I like the idea of rewarding RP. I wouldn't be opposed to giving bonuses to rolls in raids but it would exclude the non-raiders. Also unless it was just attending and participating gets points there would need to be some sort of judge or voting system to determine who got the rewards.
-Donalzon

“He lives not long who battles with the immortals, nor do his children prattle about his knees when he has come back from battle and the dead fray.”

Homer, The Iliad
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#29
I dont think providing awards to moot participants is a good idea, personally. Not that I have any justifiable reasons for it, it just doesnt feel right. What I feel needs to happen is identify why people are not going and then add what is missing to entice more participation (Player stories, In Character Lore discussions, RP events planned out over several moots for example). I dont think I am comfortable (not that its my choice) with the idea of people going to moots for the sole purpose of getting something out of it other than the pleasure of Roleplaying with other members.

We also have to consider the fact that a lot of players' focus have changed from RP side of the spectrum to more Raiding/PvE. I myself have very much commited myself to raiding this expansion and I think there are others who have put more of a focus on that as well so we are no longer lagging behind content. Usually, this means I take time off between raids to relax and accomodated other things out of game. I am happy that I am not obligated to attend moots, but also do miss them to some degree when they were more involving.

I apologize if that was a bit of a ramble, but I usually dont get involved in some of the more touchy subjects. No offense was intended in the writing of this post.

-Eru'Adan
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#30
We seem to have got a bit off topic...
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