Razorgore Discussion

[Kosath]

I think we can all agree that last night we made real progress at this encounter. I can see us winning in the near future, with a few tweaks. The corners handled their spawns well and we found ways to keep the dragonkin occupied on warriors. Kiting worked well once a group of them was gathered and the warrior wasnt being hit, and I also found that I could tank 4 of them for quite a long time, probably indefinitely with 2 dedicated healers.

Now here is the problem I realized afterward: A tank needs to take over orb control from rawne for the last 1-2 eggs. If Umu is kiting dragonkin, that can't be him. If I'm tanking dragonkin, that can't be me.

With a little more practice I feel we can get through phase 2 cleanly with warriors keeping dragonkin busy. I think our next hurdle is the orb transition, so I am asking for ideas.

Any thoughts on tanking/kiting setup that allows for a warrior to switch with Rawne and still maintains CC on the dragonkin and stability in the corners?

[Zuipol]

Simply because I'm not overly familiar with too much of the encounter, why does a warrior need to switch out with Rawne for the last two eggs? Is Rawne usually getting killed before he can pop the last two?

Also, adding something quickly from our conversations on healing aggro (yes, I'm behind), Akora decided to drop a Tranquil Air totem in our corner to keep her and Naruth's overall aggro levels down. Since everyone in our group had the same 20% reduced aggro, tanking wasn't affected at all, and Vera and I were able to hold the mages and legionaires without any issues.

I dunno if shaman have been doing this at all prior to yesterday, but it seems to work really well for buying a bit of extra time before dragons come over and face-feast.

[jabadue]

I did not drop a Tranquil Air Totem, but will keep that in mind. Did Akora have one down the whole time or just toward the end?

I was able to heal pretty much until the end with no agro problems by using lower rank spells. Big heals = Death without some agro mitigation.

In CT_Raid, I set kiters and their healers to player targets. Then, I spot healed them when needed. I believe that putting more healing on kiters, spot or dedicated, will help our success. What about a cross-healing group with 3 druids and 2 shaman, one of which drops tranquil air, for healing kiters and other groups in trouble?

Would it make sense to put a warrior as orb controller from the beginning so that she could hand off Razorgore to Kosath when the time came?

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They recommend chain fearing at the end of Phase 2 to make the transition.

[Fleethoof]

Once we get down to the wire and need to switch in a warrior for orb control, we could try calling in the warlocks and druids to distract the dragonkin on that tank for the short amount of time necessary. Sleeping/fearing should be managable for that short a period of time, assuming we can manage targetting & transitioning to that role.

[Kosath]

Tranquil air is a very good idea. Please keep them coming.

And to answer Zuipol's question, whoever has controlof the orb when the last egg is destroyed is the person who starts with a lot of aggro on Razorgore, who is untauntable.

Having a warrior control the orb from the beginning may not be a horrible idea in this case, although rawne seems to enjoy himself.

[Oryx]

I agree that a cross-healing group with Tranquil Air (and mana spring/tide, etc) would be helpful.

I was not using Tranquil Air last night, mostly alternating between Grace and Grounding (if we had a mage loose); I suspect Tranq would have helped Fleethoof a lot since she was the most active healer in our group since we didn't have a priest. (Sorry Fleetie!)

I also noticed that the Dragonkin are immune to Earthbind, which was news to me.

[Zuipol]

Jaba, to anwer your question, I think Akora switched to Tranquil Air for the last attempt, and she had it down for the entire time on that attempt, and the amount of aggro she and Naruth got from the Dragonkin was noticeably less.

While browsing Best Buy, I also noticed there's a new "WoW Guide to Dungeons" out, and I read through the Razorgore strategy and what they reccomend to do. In it, it explained why a warrior should be the one to control Razorgore for the last two eggs. It also reccomended a warrior orb controlling / kiting rotation, using Razorgore's AoE fire attack just before each transition which, I believe, was intended to get aggro on the tank that's about to start kiting.

Their descriptions weren't very clear, but it sounded interesting.

[Guest]

Is there a way we can use Gore's fireball volley to free up tanks?

[Guest]

From my very limited perspective (that is, the four inches of my screen on which I can actually see my surroundings, and the health bars and othersuch that take up the rest of it ) the third attempt featured a few small but key changes that really improved the experience.

The first two attempts, I (Naruth) was down before my Fade cooldown was up (so call it a minute, give or take), and Akora died either just before or just after me. Each time to a knot of dragonkin that rushed in and beelined for one of us, moving to the other when the first was down, and then continuing on their way around the room. Nothing our warriors could have done about it – I'd guess there were four of the dragonkin zooming around. I don't know if there was just a lot of luck with the spawns on the third attempt, or if we had more people designated to kiting, or more healing designated to the kiters, if positioning was better... but whatever it was, it worked so much better.

I agree with the above mentions of Tranquil Air – during that last attempt when Akora was using it, there was a marked difference in the amount of aggro I was drawing from outside our corner (which seemed to be the main problem). I also moved out of my corner a bit in the last attempt to give me range to drop some heals on Kosath and Umu, who were tanking big groups of... something (I need to work on my visibility issues ;D). I'm not sure if that helped or hindered, but it seemed like the thing to do at the time. I'm still an utter n00b at this encounter, and honestly clueless about how the aggro works here, so I don't know how feasible any sort of consistent cross-healing, or even calling for targeted spot-cross-healing, would be.

Great progess everyone, any way you look at it.

[Guest]

I've found that mages sheeping one of the humanoid spawns as it comes out until it can get killed fast is a good way to keep runner mages or leg's from getting to far and beating the heck out of all of the healers while nothing is attacking them.. it also gives the MA in the corner a chance to kill what we're working on and move on.. there just needs to be no fear in breaking the sheep, cause unbroken sheep = dead mages quick if they time out.

[Guest]

Kosath: If you can fight the 4 or so on you and Umu can kite the rest without me I could take over orb control towards the end and just pop shield wall when he comes for me, that'll give ya bit to get to him and sunder him. I'll just use shield block and revenge to get the aggro needed. And save the sunders for you. Or something like that. I konw I won't be able to tank him forever but that should give you or umu time to get to him or what not. And I think (prays) I would last a bit longer against razorgore than Rawne, no offence Rawne. I thinkn Umu has the kiting down, and his massive HP should be enough to kite. I could always pick up kiting if it became to much for him. Or sleep a few as Razorgore.

This is just a thought if we need a tank to finish up the MC on Razorgore.

The kiting is definately the way to go, when done right you could kite them all and never get touched one bit.

Just my thoughts though.

Calshak

[jabadue]

Just a note: Earth Shield might be really useful on the Kiters in the razorgore fight. I really want to give him another go.

-Jaba